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fate
Dec 6, 2010 12:41:27 GMT -5
Post by francine on Dec 6, 2010 12:41:27 GMT -5
i have heard alot of argument for and against fate, but i have heard of or seen some very odd coincidences, but im not always sure if one can call it "fate". but the other day i was watching history channel and it was about all the assasination attempts on hitler. there are 48 known assasination attemps, one including hitler standing right above a bomb, planted by one of his close "friends" who wanted hitler dead. the bomb went off with out a hitch killing6 or 7 other people in the room except for hitler. it kinda mkes you wonder.....
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fate
Dec 7, 2010 10:29:54 GMT -5
Post by laglaeske on Dec 7, 2010 10:29:54 GMT -5
That's insane!
How'd he survive that?
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fate
Dec 7, 2010 10:38:15 GMT -5
Post by Mr. Delainey on Dec 7, 2010 10:38:15 GMT -5
Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Delainey's Razor: never attribute to providence that which can be explained by incompetence.
People are wonderful myth makers. We see patterns in everything (this is how we are hard-wired). The problem is sometimes these patterns are just inventions. I.e. How many botched and failed attempts at assassinating other historical personalities have there been? Did these all fail because of some spiritual influence operative in the background? Or did they fail because the perpetrators weren't organized enough or lacked the skills to complete their objective?
Here's a case in point: there was an attempt at getting pop drinks laden with explosives into airplanes by Muslim extremists a few years back. This plot was discovered and thwarted before it could be undertaken, e.g. The people plotting to do this were arrested, etc. Did fate play a role here in getting these people caught? Where was fate involved when the extremists successfully flew airplanes into the World Trade Center?
I suppose I could be soft in the head and say well the one group getting caught (soda pop terrorists) and the other group succeeding (9/11) were both fated to end up that way; however, this so-called fate is a tool of hindsight not foresight. You can only ever look backwards and then literally make (I'd say invent) events meaningful. You cannot use fate to predict either this or that happening. This is one of the many reasons why I sense fate is more or less something we've inherited as part of our genetic and cultural make-up.
(P.S. In the case of several of the attempted attacks on Hitler, the fuse literally didn't work (a technical issue) or the attacker lost their resolve (a courage issue) at the last moment. I don't see fate here.)
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fate
Dec 7, 2010 12:03:00 GMT -5
Post by francine on Dec 7, 2010 12:03:00 GMT -5
..... ok then.....
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fate
Dec 7, 2010 18:33:45 GMT -5
Post by Mr. Delainey on Dec 7, 2010 18:33:45 GMT -5
Heh.
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